Structuring Chaotic Minds

Embracing Authenticity in a Digital Age

• Jen Dys • Season 2 • Episode 2

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When life threw curveballs, Jen didn't just catch them—she turned them into a flourishing Pinterest marketing agency. Her journey from physical therapist to marketing strategist and business owner is nothing short of inspiring. Join us as we weave through the tapestry of Jen's evolution, exploring how she merged her passion for human design with her entrepreneurial spirit to create a business that truly reflects her unique strengths. This episode is a treasure trove for anyone looking to align their personal growth with their professional aspirations.

Have you ever felt the tug-of-war between ambition and wellness? As we sat down with Jen, it became clear that finding balance isn't just possible—it's essential. We delve into the concept of human design and its profound impact on how we approach business, breaking free from the one-size-fits-all mindset. We discuss the importance of resilience, the magic of curiosity, and the transformative power of aligning one's innate strengths with their career goals. Jen's story is a testament to the beauty of redefining success on your own terms and the courage it takes to step outside conventional career molds.

Wrapping up, we emphasize the importance of continually evolving and embracing the next phase of your journey with open arms. Whether you're refining your marketing strategies or trusting your instincts to guide your next move, this episode is a heartfelt reminder to stay structured and smiling. Connect with us and Jen for further insights into crafting a life that not only reaches for success but also ensures mental wellness. Tune in for a conversation that's as much about finding structure in chaos as it is about nurturing the ambition that drives us forward.


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Melissa Franklin:

Welcome to Structuring Chaotic Minds, a show focused on balancing mental wellness and life. If you're just like me, then you likely enjoy crushing your goals, but it's also possible that right now you're struggling with anxiety, being overwhelmed or balancing life due to mental health. I'm here to help. I'm your host, melissa Franklin. I'm a leadership and personal development coach on a mission to amplify the fellow voices about our situations, share critical information and knowledge with our family and friends and, at the same time, help remove the social BS about mental wellness and mindsets. Welcome, jen, it is great to have you here. To begin, can you share with our listeners where you're from and a little bit about your background and how that actually encouraged your ambitious career path?

Jen Dys:

Yeah, so I am from Michigan. I have lived here pretty much my whole life and so we live kind of by the lake, so it's four seasons around throughout the year. So that's where I'm from and what kind of sparked me on my career path has been. So my background is I actually was a physical therapist for 13 years. I worked to, you know, get my dream job, and throughout my time there I really felt like I was meant for more. I was meant to be more, do more beyond the punching the clock kind of a uh, uh like day. So I sought out just different ways to start a business. This whole entrepreneurship route. It started a long time ago. I had experimented with blogging. I had experimented with just different ideas to. I think I wrote an ebook at one point. So just experimenting with different ways. And after I had my kids and became a mom and was working full time, I knew that I wanted to be more present with them, and so that sparked me even more. But I think once in 2020, that was kind of the catalyst that really pushed me to actually launch my Pinterest marketing agency that year.

Jen Dys:

I had dabbled as a VA, I had one foot in, one foot out and I had lacked confidence. I had struggled just to believe that this could be something. So when things got a little challenging with me trying to launch the business, I would just go back and revert back to well, I work in the hospital, I can just pick up an extra shift. If I need more, more money, I'll just work overtime. And so eventually it got to the point where it's like this is no longer an option. I have to be with my kids, I need to be, I need to have more of that freedom. And so that spurred me to really kind of double down and launch my Pinterest marketing company. And then I started. I pulled in a couple of clients. I got that validation. I was like I started, I pulled in a couple of clients, I got that validation. I was like, okay, this is working.

Jen Dys:

And I left my job as a physical therapist and I grew that Pinterest marketing company. I worked, I ran that for a couple of years and I enjoyed the clients that I worked with, I enjoyed the work that I was doing. But again, it's like listening to that little piece of me that there's still more, because when you, as a service based provider, with that business I had created. I had the flexibility and freedom to work from anywhere and to really like outline my day and be present for my kids. But I had ultimately created another job for myself.

Jen Dys:

So if I, if something happened to me, the business was was gone like, and so I hit a point where I needed to bring on help because I couldn't do any more by me. The business was was gone Like, and so I hit a point where I needed to bring on help because I couldn't do any more by myself. And that was again that fork in the road of do I really want this bad enough to scale it to bring on subcontractors? And for me it was like there's something else, there's more. And so then I shifted and pivoted into the marketing strategy, which is what I really loved about running Pinterest and doing Pinterest was the strategy that I was involved with my clients.

Jen Dys:

So I wanted to dive into more of that marketing strategy and along the way, I had picked up and went down the rabbit hole of human design and what those 2 pieces ultimately have allowed me to shift into what I'm doing today, which is marketing strategy blended with human design.

Jen Dys:

And if anybody is newer to human design, human design is. If you equate it to the other market, like personality tools out there, like the Enneagram or the disc or the Myers-Briggs those tools help you understand a little bit more about who you are. Human design is does very much the same thing, but it's not based on a series of questions. It's based on your birth information the date, place and time you were born, and it really helps you understand your own unique strengths, talents and gifts. And that is kind of the secret ingredient that I love to pull in with clients when we're looking at helping them to show up more confidently in their marketing, helping them to create the content that they're going to be putting out to the world, helping them to stand out in a sea of people posting the same things on social media and really just trying to grow their platform. And so that's kind of been that motivation, has just been that feeling of like there's something more, I'm meant for something more, and leaning into that and following that.

Melissa Franklin:

I love that. So basically, we'd say the thing that made the ambitious shift would wanting to be the mom more present, be there for kids. Yes, and I love how you point out that when you first started with the Pinterest marketing that sounds so prestigious, someone says I was marketing with Pinterest and that became my forte, and why would you leave that? And if you're already having this sort of flexibility, why would you go do something completely different? So I appreciate that vulnerability and kind of sharing that even if we become entrepreneurs and we get that flexibility, that doesn't mean we don't have to do anything. We're kind of tied down to the job and it can get very heavy and extra if we don't find the proper systems and procedures in place.

Melissa Franklin:

What systems and procedures did you put in place? I guess that were different from the human design marketing than you did. Guess that were different from the human design marketing than you did. Is it now that you do more coaching instead of actually doing the marketing plans for people, or is it more just like the pricing? What did you tweak and adjust?

Jen Dys:

I tweaked so it was the pivot from service provider, from doing all of the things for the clients, to the strategy, to the coaching, yeah, to what's more of like, instead of done for you, it went into like a done with you type of a strategy.

Melissa Franklin:

I love that. Thinking of that that can be the word. Coach can be tough. What challenges and obstacles did you really face as you went into those areas, Cause that's such an ambitious journey?

Jen Dys:

Yeah, I think stepping into the word coach was a challenge. Like when, like with the Pinterest marketing company and stepping into that like it was it, I still had some challenges to step into that. But when you're stepping into something completely different and trying to embrace that, I am a coach, I know enough, I am enough. That was probably my biggest challenge getting started and I still sometimes I'll use the word marketing strategist or I use strategy strategist. That's one of the things I leaned on very heavily when I first made the transition because I was like I I'm not a coach. How do I call myself a coach? I need coaches. So it's like stepping into that and embracing that it's like a little bit of imposter syndrome was like that biggest challenge for me.

Melissa Franklin:

I think that that's awesome when a coach can admit that, because being a coach doesn't necessarily mean like you have all the answers, rather than you've been there and you can guide someone through it and really help them be their best and grow and excel, but they're going to have to be the ones to do the work. Um, and I think naturally, as women, we're really good about being there as supporters for other people, so we're actually pretty innate on being coaches and nurturers and empathy, and we just think of the word coach more like on you and making sure you're successful. But a coach is also still there to understand what that person is going through and nurturing, like those next steps and such. So I guess for me, thinking about the human design and the ambitious marketing that some of your clients would deal with, how does the actual human design itself empower your clients in their strategies?

Jen Dys:

I would say the biggest thing that they get when they start to uncover their human design piece of it is permission. It's, it's almost like this, like I always like maybe they always knew they were good at that, but they didn't recognize how powerful that was and how much a gift that was, like things that they were just innately just a genius at and they just kind of they, they just didn't think that it was. Well, this is easy, like why, but it's not easy for everyone. So that's that permission to step into the things that they are naturally good at, and the recognition and like that validation of like, wow, like. I've always known that about myself, but you're telling me that this is like actually a superpower that I can start to leverage. As I talk about myself, as I, like you know, work on like promoting or launching or go like um, like, go to speak on a stage or something like that, things like that.

Melissa Franklin:

I love that. I think deep down, most of us don't really care when we get compliments, when it doesn't deal with a topic that's important to us. So when we get compliments or things that are really in the areas that resonate with us, it just feels that much better. Thinking about that, you probably observed a bunch of entrepreneurs that are sometimes over relying on what's like standard business strategies so kind of the way you said, like stepping outside and just going from strategist to coach, going from systems and procedures into more, like testing things and product design and really checking Does it work for me, does it not? How do you help these individuals actually?

Jen Dys:

integrate their ambitions into their business models. Yeah, so that's a that's a really good question. So with a lot of my clients, it's when we start to dive into their chart and they uncover like one thing, a few other, like other things come up Like so then so even if we're working together on, let's say, like pieces of their content or something like that, or helping them to create content, well, when you dive into that, there's other things that come up from that that you know any blocks or challenges or resistance that they get. And so when we start to dive into some of those or challenges or resistance that they get, and so when we start to dive into some of those, then you can work at like customizing and figuring out like, okay, so this like, let's say, we're looking at marketing, so this style of marketing or this style of like promotion or like creating content works for.

Jen Dys:

So, like these other people and these other people are telling me like I need to do things this way.

Jen Dys:

But now, when I look at myself a little deeper and I understand that the reason I've been so like these other people and these other people are telling me like I need to do things this way.

Jen Dys:

But now, when I look at myself a little deeper and I understand that the reason I've been resisting it, the reason I've been like kind of procrastinating on it or not wanting to do it or it's draining me, is because of what we're uncovering in the human design side of their chart, what really makes them unique. And when they can see that for themselves, it's again we go back to that permission to say it's okay, that it does not, that that does not work for me. I am not a I'm not. It doesn't mean I'm a failure, it doesn't mean I'm any less than so. Here's how we I can create a way to get to the similar result or the results that I want, in a way that works for me on a different, like a path or a set series of steps or a system that that works for me, that it lights me up and that I'm excited about and really leverages my strengths.

Melissa Franklin:

I love that. I think some people worry and confuse that sometimes, as if you worry too much and focus on just what you want rather than what goals have been set for you or what looks prestigious from the outside that you're kind of not really ambitious anymore, but the reality is that it takes a lot more ambition to pursue something, especially on the entrepreneur side. So how do you think your own ambition has actually shaped both your personal and professional growth overall, especially in the realms of marketing and human design itself?

Jen Dys:

Yeah, I think for me, my ambition and I recognize this now the more that I know about myself is, you know, if somebody tells me that something's not possible, I don't always accept it and I always have, like I just it's not that like I'm, um, it's. You know, it's a little bit of a rebellious nature that I have where it's like, well, if you tell me something's not possible, I'm gonna figure it out. Or you can't tell me, like this, I can't do this. But there's, it's also shows up in this curiosity of, well, if that's your belief or if that's kind of what you're thinking, what? If it's almost like I get this curiosity, I'm like, what if it, we can make it work this way, or what about this?

Jen Dys:

And so, by that combination of just having that natural like curiosity and just trying to figure out different ways of doing things and that's the other thing where I was just like, if this, if something doesn't work for me, yes, I can procrastinate on things, yes, I can resist things, but I also have learned that that's a sign to me to get a little bit more curious and to figure out well, if it doesn't work that way, how can I make this, this figure out a way to make this work.

Jen Dys:

So how can I figure out a way to take those next steps? So, like the whole, like jumping in from going from a corporate career into starting a business, how many people will tell you it's not possible? Or how can you? You can't make money? What do you do? Like you make money on Pinterest, like, what is that? Like, um, so that's where that comes in. Is just that continuous like curiosity to figure things out has been a big, a big part of me, but that's also what I also recognize as a part of um, my human design as well, or my unique, one of my unique, uh, characteristics, I guess.

Melissa Franklin:

I love that Cause it's it. I'm going to try to find the right words without brutalizing it, but it sounds like childlike, but like I mean it in a sweet way, as in like the inner child, the, the true ambition, the, the purpose, the, the thing you saw like twinkling when you were four or five years old. That girl's going to grow up to be this type of person and it was almost very obvious in a lot of us when we were little. But it's slowly dissipated as we got older, in my opinion, because, like, our creative genius gets shut down or gets quieted. So I love the fact that you keep using words like curiosity, because it reminds me of a child like who's going to keep looking into it.

Melissa Franklin:

And that's the cool part about life Like, if we can allow children to step outside the box, they become our innovators of tomorrow. And now, as an adult, you're still doing that Most of the time. We're already fixed on what we're supposed to do and there's no change. We don't get to deviate from that. We don't get to decide. When we're like myself, 38, like, oh, my goodness, you get to change life and let's fluctuate and switch things. So that's, that's pretty neat, um, and I don't know it, just it really it sounded childlike to me, but to me the childlike is what made it the most ambitious and the most genuine, like raw and real, of who you knew deep down inside you were always meant to be. Um, because it kind of speaks to you like when you're a kid, and that's probably something that happens for a lot of your clients. Maybe because I know it happens for me, they'll start, yeah, when I was little. This happened a lot and I see that a lot more through the coaching, with the unpacking, as you were saying.

Jen Dys:

Yeah, yeah.

Melissa Franklin:

Um, thinking about, I guess, client success itself. So, individuals who have gone through your program, through the human design, could you share any type of story that they've had so it can guide others in to understanding a little bit more about human design and entrepreneurship?

Jen Dys:

yeah, yeah, um. So I have worked with clients that you know, especially like on the lens of their marketing. Um, I had a client that I worked with before that she her. One of her biggest complaints is when we're in marketing, we're often promoting things, we're putting things out there, we're sharing our message, but we're also doing it so that we can bring in clients so that our business continues to grow.

Jen Dys:

So in this particular client, she had a core program that she was offering in marketing. She had a launch plan that she had been running, but she was at a point too where the launch itself it was a launch, that she had a launch plan that she had been running. But she was at a point, too where the launch itself it was a launch that she had somewhat created um, I think probably with her coach at 1.2 that was burning her out. It was just she would show up and she would launch her program, but it was very draining to her. So that was one of the biggest things that we worked on when we worked together was looking at her human design and figuring out how she could show up in a promotion or in a launch so that she got to the end of it and she didn't want to, like, hibernate for a month or, you know, she didn't feel so burned out and drained from the launch itself because she had bigger goals of I want to expand and grow this program.

Melissa Franklin:

So yeah, I don't know how you said the hibernate thing. I do that a lot. It has to happen.

Melissa Franklin:

But it was a recent program that I was in myself realizing I keep on taking on so much over and over and over, and then have these beautiful plans in place for the next phase, to repeat, and nothing happens, not necessarily because it's not ready to go, not necessarily because I actually don't want anybody to see it or I have doubts, but I'm tired and it's not how I want to show up, it's not what I wanted to do. And I'm resenting it after the fact because it's like, well, somebody else told me it was going to work and it did work, but it wasn't meant for me and it was still like trying to do, even as an entrepreneur, trying to do what all the other entrepreneurs said, because I'm new to this, who the heck am I like say I'm going to kill this. I'm going to listen to the advice of the other peeps that have already been getting it right. I got to be able to do their thing and I think that's been very stressful and overwhelming itself.

Melissa Franklin:

Um, but the more and more the time has gone by. Like you said, it's a journey, it's definitely a process um being in PT. I know like you, you've had education, you invested money, you went through a lot of it's a lot of shift.

Melissa Franklin:

that was definitely, definitely a shift. I know myself education. I have a degree in psychology, a degree in sociology. I have a master's in special education, educational psychology Like to give all that up and be like, eh, I'm going to try something different. It was definitely a thoughtful process that had been coming for a minute. Thinking of that, there's probably lots of other entrepreneurs who want to make that jump. What advice would you give for our ambitious listeners who have those type of goals but are still kind of struggling to take that first step? Or possibly they've taken the first step and now they're struggling to maintain momentum?

Jen Dys:

Yeah, I would say, if you are, you know, if you're struggling to take the step, or if you've taken the step and you're struggling with the momentum to just kind of keep up with it, the best thing to do is to I usually say, just kind of take a step back and like quiet your mind a little bit. And just because many, many of us, we get lost, we get caught up in what everybody else is telling us we should do, and then we get caught up in the doing of the things. We get caught up in the busyness, we get caught up in the well, I have to do this, this and this. So then we go do that. And then we feel drained and we feel burned out or you're hesitating on it. And when you're resisting or hesitating to take that step, you're resisting or hesitating to take that step, you're still burning energy, hesitating and worrying about it and procrastinating on it. So when you take a step back and just give yourself permission to just create some space and just clear, go for a walk like meditate, listen to music, something like just get out of it, like a pattern, interrupt, get out of your norm, you're going to allow yourself. You're going to allow yourself, to be able to tune into yourself and what you know is right. So if you're seeking, like, what are my next steps? How do I get past this, this resistance, this, how do I take that first step? Or how do I keep going forward, you can literally like get, get that quietness and that clarity just by listening to yourself, just by tuning into yourself a little bit, because we all have those little nudges, we all have those little senses or knowings of like there's something more, there's some other ways to do this. And when you listen to that, because it's quieter, because you kind of put aside all the busyness, you're able to kind of just get a little bit more clarity. Whether you write it out, journal it out, journal your thoughts on paper, sometimes the answer will come to taking that next step. And then the more you lean into you and what you know is right for you, even if you don't look at your human design whatsoever, you as a human being still know deep down what's right for you and what's not right for you. And so if you're having that hesitation or you're struggling with the momentum, it's just a sign for you to get curious again and look at the situation and see, okay, because what tends to happen is we Well, let's say, for example, we'll take on a marketing strategy and we'll do all the things for our marketing, and then we get burned out because something in the marketing itself is just not in alignment with us, and then we'll burn down the entire marketing system.

Jen Dys:

Whereas if you get curious, like so, that's how it's like you're showing up for a while and then you're just off social media for like a month. I have been there too. So it's like. So it's like don't burn down. I always like to say like so it's like you're stumbling around the dark in a room, tripping over a pile on the floor Every time you go in that room. Um, don't burn down the house because you're tripping over something in the room. Just turn the light on and pick up the pile and move it around or just clean Like that's my analogy. So it's don't burn down the marketing system, don't burn down the whole thing.

Jen Dys:

Follow the resistance.

Jen Dys:

Where is it coming up?

Jen Dys:

Is it a specific task?

Jen Dys:

If it's in your marketing, is it like when you have, like if somebody's telling you you have to go live, and every time you go to hit the live button, you're hearing that resistance, is it one specific thing?

Jen Dys:

So getting curious and being creating that awareness of like that resistance is is just going to help lead you to that one piece. And when you focus on, well, how can I do this differently, how can I do this in a way that works for me? How can I eliminate some of this resistance? Do I need to like delegate something, cause that's another thing that comes up. We think we got to do it all ourselves, right? So when you've hit that resistance, get like that's your awareness. If you're feeling it and you're seeing it, you have the awareness that it's just time to like get curious on it. And that's where, when you create space for yourself, you'll help you kind of zero in on what the problem is and then you'll start to be able to maybe come up with different solutions, different ways to tweak the one thing in your marketing, so that one thing changes and your marketing still keeps going.

Melissa Franklin:

I like that. I think for me it resonates very much kind of like what we go through in my programming. But mine's not marketing, ours is goal setting. And as they go through their goal setting and they're not keeping up with the stuff, they said, hey, that's what we said we were going to do last week. I'll ask them did you go on your walk? No, happened, oh, I don't know, xyz happened and blah, blah, and a lot of times they'll be very honest I just didn't have the energy or I haven't built up that consistency yet. And then, once they built up the consistency, it was okay. Now I'm gonna start going to the gym later.

Melissa Franklin:

The roadblock is well, I didn't feel confident going into the gym because I feel like there's a lot of people looking at me or they'll just come up with other things that are actually there. And we have to dig deeper into figuring out. What is the actual block, what is the actual thing that you're telling yourself or those ugly voices are saying that's preventing you from doing the stuff that you felt really energized and signed up for a week ago. Or you wouldn't have said you didn't, you didn't want to do it. You would have been like, eh, that doesn't sound like a good idea, but you wanted to do it for a reason or you invested in it for a reason, and then it doesn't happen. You're not wrong.

Melissa Franklin:

A lot of the time it's it's things that are blocking it. It's things that are happening internally and we got to dig deeper and figure out what that is. Um, I know for me sometimes it was having to look when I was being ambitious and going up like ladders and climbing or whatever. It wasn't really where I wanted to be. Um, so that kind of says like ambitions can change and things can happen. So, like reflecting on your past itself, is there any ambitions that might've changed over time? Or is there any ambitions that might have changed over time? Or is there anything that you could have done differently?

Jen Dys:

Yeah, absolutely so. If I look back on the past, like from an ambition standpoint, even if I look at my career when I was in the physical therapy world, my dream job was to work at the children's's hospital, which was connected to the hospital that I worked at, but to work in the pediatrics department. That was my dream job and I fought to get it. I showed up. I wasn't. I showed up to volunteer. I showed up to build relationships with the people in the department. Um, I it wasn't paid. I had to find like child care and stuff to to be there around my other shifts that I was working, but in so building the relationships to get it in just a foot in the door. And then when a role opened up that I did get that job, I got that dream job. And then, when I got that dream job and started working that job, I loved. I loved my patients, I loved the kids, I loved the littles.

Jen Dys:

But ultimately at the end of the day I knew I wasn't supposed to be there and I knew that was kind of the kicker. It was like you kind of are on this path and you're like, well, maybe I'll. If I do get this, I'll be, I'll be happy, I'll be where I'm supposed to be, and then everything will be perfect. And then you get there and you're like so this is it, this is it. And then then those questions start coming up and the same thing, like even shifting into Pinterest and the business. It's like I have my business, I'm working from home, I'm I'm working from vacation. And then you're like wait a minute, I'm on vacation, I'm, I have, I have to work.

Melissa Franklin:

Like cause I have to.

Jen Dys:

Why am I? You know, I have to run this business even though my family is taking a week off. I'm like, I'm panicking over Wi-Fi connection and client accounts. And wait, there's a lake somewhere over here I'm supposed to be at, so it's like. Then it's that point of like okay, this can't be it. Like that's kind of like what that trigger that shifted my mindset around. Okay, now I got to look for what's next. Like, if I don't feel like this is where I'm supposed to be forever, what is next? I think we're always evolving too, so thinking about that.

Melissa Franklin:

Do you have any projects or anything that's exciting or things? That you're looking forward to then, for the future, right now things that you're looking forward to then, for the future right now?

Jen Dys:

Yeah, so I have been on this journey since I shifted away from Pinterest and into marketing strategy, blending it with human design. So I've been on this journey for a while just trying to figure out how that looks. What does that look like? How am I serving people? I want to work with entrepreneurs, I want to work with them in their marketing strategy, but what does that really look like?

Jen Dys:

So I've done a lot of testing, I've done a lot of experimenting, worked with a lot of different clients, a lot of different offers, but for me right now, looking ahead, I think, from a marketing perspective and pulling in human design, it's really honing in on helping my clients to really uncover their message and get that message out to the people that need to hear that, and so that pulls in the content creation, and so I've been focusing a little bit more on pulling in my past my background from Pinterest, which was all content creation, but content creation and leveraging what I've also built from the human design side of things and that's what I'm super excited about is how that's going to look and like I'm experimenting with, like a workshop right now too, and so.

Melissa Franklin:

So that's kind of what's on the future, tweaking it all and kind of taking the best of what you love and putting it all together. I love it Thinking of that. Where could people find you if that strikes or resonates with them and you need someone who would want to help them in marketing.

Jen Dys:

Yeah, I think the best place to find me and connect with me is on Instagram. So, yeah, that's where I'm at. I'm the person on the other side of those messages and those stories. So that's my life that I put out. I just kind of like that's where I love to connect with other people. So I'm at Jen Dice on Instagram.

Melissa Franklin:

Perfect. I will make sure to put that in our episode notes to make sure, if anyone wants to reach out and then actually get that a little bit more specific and tailored, that they know where to find you. So I'm thinking about that for individuals that are a little bit more ambitious and want to take that marketing to the next level, or to their business efforts to the next level. I guess what last message would you leave for them?

Jen Dys:

I think if you're wanting to take just your marketing, your business yourself, to that next level, whether you step into human design or not, it's always about it always comes back to you. And it always comes back to not second guessing your gut reaction, or that little nudge that you feel, or just that little inner knowing of what is right for you on that next step, Because so many of us question, we'll get that gut reaction of, like this is what's right for me, and then our minds will start coming in and saying, but is it so? It's like quieting your mind and really trusting yourself, because no matter what tool you use, no matter where you're at like, you know when you're meant for something more. No matter where you're at like, you know when you're meant for something more, you know that you're meant for another step or another level. And when you lean into that, that's when you, like, you're just going to be able to figure out, like, what that next right step is for you. But just be, give yourself permission to take it.

Melissa Franklin:

Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I think I needed to hear that again because it was just more like give myself the permission to do that step and keep going and keep shifting on the stuff that don't throw it out, but keep the stuff.

Melissa Franklin:

Don't burn it down Right, because a huge part of me does want to just leave it there and just say, no, it didn't work for me, nevermind. But I keep going back to it because deep down, that's where I want to be. That is what resonates the most with me. It's just more figuring out the marketing part, the systems, the procedures, the coaching parts, the programs themselves. Those parts are awesome. It's the marketing and the promotion that I'm not very good at yet because I didn't practice those skills the last few decades that I've been in the workforce.

Melissa Franklin:

The skills that I practiced were a lot of influencing children as well as teachers and how to grow in their craft. Um, I taught math for years and then, with the teachers, I taught teachers instructional coaching so you'd be an expert in your, your degree field, but that didn't mean you know how to taught or teach, sorry. So they'd come in and they'd be like I can teach this. We talked about it last week, but the kids weren't resonating with it. So it was. It was a skill that we developed and I think it carried over to coaching.

Melissa Franklin:

But I struggle with that marketing part and when I don't have leads because I didn't, my program's not over, so I don't have leads, because I didn't. My program's not over, so I don't have enough referrals coming in at the moment. And if I don't have leads coming in that week, I'll get very self-conscious and start worrying, like what happened. Well, my, my technique is mainly referrals. Why am I upset when I'm not at the end of a program yet, and that's actually my strategy. So why would I be upset that it's working? Yeah, and I'm comparing myself to someone else, so I appreciate that I really do Any other last words or tips or anything.

Jen Dys:

I don't think so. Thank you so much for having me today. This has been fun.

Melissa Franklin:

I appreciate that, I really do. We're probably gonna have to talk a little bit more about the human design stuff and I'm going to dig a little bit more into that with your workshop. So thank you so much, jen, and thank you guys, everybody, for tuning in. If you guys have any sorts of questions and you'd like to dig in a little bit more, feel free to reach out to Jen online, on Instagram, on your social media, or go ahead and message us at admin at structureinnovationscom. Have an amazing day and stay structured and smiling. Thank you so much for joining me for today's episode. To catch up on the rest of the season, visit structureandchaoticmindscom or take a quick browse on your current app to see which episodes resonate with you. If you struggle with your own mental wellness or even just balancing life, we have a team of individuals at our site who can help. You can visit structureinnovationscom and find a coach or mentor fit for you. Thank you for joining me once again, melissa Franklin, on this episode of Structuring Chaotic Minds. Stay structured and smiling.